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12:03 pm
September 19, 2008
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QuoteI overheard someone at the WCWS talking about BAT LAG. Can anyone explain what bat lag is?
10:42 pm
They are probably using it as the opposite of casting. The bat coming around the corner should be straight back with an approximately 90 degree relationship of the bat to the lead arm forearm till one to one and a half frames (on a 30 fps video) before contact. Some use the term to describe the point in the swing where the bat is pointing straight back toward the back stop.
If you look at clip five on the following link, note the point in the swing where the bat is pointing straight back toward the umpire's arm. That would be the point some refer to as "bat lag". Every new guru invents new terms, redefines old terms etc. Confuses things. I'd prefer they use accepted bio mechanical and physics terminology. Baseball and softball are famous for hitting lingo that means different things depending on who you listen to. http://imageevent.com/siggy/hi…..=0&p=0
So does that mean the bat is too heavy for you? if you can not swing it fast enough or keep it in the right angle for contact?
Your right Watley and Mendoza are both great hitters but the question is what is bat lag…
I did some research and it seems from what i read bat lag is a good thing?? I dont really understand because to me lag means it is slow.
"Comment by Ralph Dickenson on November 30, 2009 at 8:36pm
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bat lag happens when the hitter swings from
the ground up using the lower half to deliver the bat towards the ball.
The objective of the hitter is to hold the bat angle until the lower
half throws it to the ball. If the hitter is able to hold the bat and
shoulder angles into rotation the swing will happen with sequence feet,
hips and hands. Proper sequence does not assure bat lag but it certainly
is a good start. Bat lag occurs when the hitter is almost fully rotated
with the hips open but the bat is still behind the body waiting to be
delivered last. Bat lag is part of increased bat quicknee, spped and
increased power" - This is from http://www.checkswing.com/prof…..nd-what-is
- So is this bat lag a good thing or bad?
In this clip it does seem like its just baseball, but it was a mostly baseball coach website. I wonder if it is the same thing in softball?
Maybe we use another term for it?
It seems that it is when the bat is still behind the body and hips are square to get the most amount of torque behind your body when you swing?? like winding up a jack in the box? Then boom it releases?
I have no idea, this is just a guess.
10:21 am
Doug Noble said:
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I'm not one to study via video and frames in slow motion…
How do you know your advice and beliefs conform to what elite hitters actually do?
1:29 pm
Doug Noble said:
So bag lag only pertains to power hitters and their cordination with the bat. Right? More so in baseball than fastpitch.
Swinging a bat is swinging a bat. To be effective swinging away, whether you are a home run hitter, gap hitter or singles hitter, you HAVE to be quick from first move of the bat head into the swing plane till contact. Elite hitters are four to five frames on a 30 fps video on this measure. Generally when I hear someone talk about LAG they are talking about the position as the hitter comes around the corner when the bat is parallel to ball flight/the knob is pointing roughly to the pitcher and the lead arm and bat still form roughly a 90 degree angle (the wrists have not yet uncocked). In elite hitters, this uncocking of the wrists (lag to contact) happens in a frame or less than two on standard 30fps video. For those of you using Right View or something else to get 60fps video, just double the numbers I've mentioned.
2:24 pm
Well, effective and efficient are good things. A good position at what some refer to as "lag" would be part of that. Good defined as effective and efficient and presumed to be very similar to what the best in the world are seen to do when studied in slow motion and frame by frame.
If you want to drill deep down to geek level or at least a deeper understanding of effective and efficient swing mechanics I suggest englishbeyhitting.com
7:06 pm
The short and sweet of it is bat Lag is good! You also might here bat drag which is bad.
Bat drag is when the bat head drops early in the the swing…things to look for that cause this is when the back elbow leads the hands in the swing = swinging under the ball or a lot of pop ups.
Bat lag is simply the bat head stays back as the legs and core initiates the swing. In turn producing greater bat speed. Many kids will start bringing the bat head forward as soon as the lower half starts. These kids have slower swing speeds because they are not producing any torque in the swing. Also, those kids who bring the bat early typically are the ones who lung for a ball or slow down the swing into contact because everything is early. If they keep the hands back and bat head (lag) bat speed will be increasing into the hitting zone if they have used the trigger at the appropriate time but that's another topic!
Other terms you might of heard is short to the ball and long through it! Bat lag = short to the ball. Bat drag or casting = long to the ball which is bad.
One thing I have learned over the years is many coaches are speaking about the same thing…just in a different language (terminology) Great question
11:28 pm
Depends on what you mean by short to the ball. Too many people mean hands forward across the chest toward the pitcher when they say short to the ball. Brings up a recurring point…the lack of explanatory power of the common hitting terms.
But these are fine and interesting points. Today I got blown away by the worst hitting instruction I've seen in ten years. How is this possible in the information age?
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